By Andrei for the Saker Blog.
The current mass hysteria about what just happened in Kabul and the rest of Afghanistan is not dying down.
Why is that so?
I believe that what is happening is this: if we compare the people of the USA to the passengers on the Titanic, we could say that our passengers were listening to the still playing orchestra until their feet got soaked in ice cold water, at which point denial is not an option.
For folks in Zone A, the events in Afghanistan quite literally, unthinkable. So while some of us saw the writing on the wall already years, if not decades ago, those who lived, mentally, in Zone A what is happening now is impossible. Impossible but happening.
The nature of what the events in Kabul showed is such, that those living in the mental Zone A cannot accept them. But neither can they deny it anymore.
- The Empire died in January 8th 2020
- The USA (at least as we knew them) died on January 6th 2021
Unthinkable! Absolutely unthinkable! My ankles are in ice water, but the Titanic cannot sink! It’s too big to fail.
If hope dies last, than delusions die just before it.
There is a good chance now “Biden” will not finish his term. If, and that’s still an “if” (never say never) Kamala Harris replaces Biden, the internal negative reaction inside the USA will be huge. Blinken looks to me like a tailor with the facial expression “I am so sorry that suit does not sit well on you” – so he is out. The DefSec is a clown who should resign anyway (responsibility of command).
In the US ruling classes we are now beyond any kind of plan making, this is a “run for your life” kind of situation, and that means “each man for himself”.
Hence the current hysterics.
After them, most US Americans will enter some variant of the five stages of grief before, inevitably, realizing the truth and getting the energy and courage to get back again.
Until then, expect more hysterics and infighting.
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We are cursed to live in interesting times. The USA has several paths it may follow at this point:
1. Biden is removed and Kamala takes over. This can go bad very quickly as a large percentage of the US believes in a stolen election. Whether the military will support this move remains to be seen.
2. Biden and Kamala are forcefully removed by a mid-echelon military coupe to restore their Republic. You can see the cracks in the US military command structure already but I see this as unlikely at this time.
3. Angry citizens first suffer through their denial and then attempt to reclaim their government through peaceful and legal means – you can see the start of this by people going after CRT but this is likely doomed to failure in the longer term as the parasitic class controls the courts.
4. Angry citizens suffer through the denial, organize street protests, which are met by force, and counter-force, followed by revolution. Unlikely in the short term, but angry people with nothing to lose and weapons are a volatile mix.
The cracks were obvious a long time ago to students of history, but the swiftness of collapse is still astounding. In the meantime, homelessness, hunger, crime,and health issues will continue to climb and burden the USA. Jack London wrote an excellent work on this from his visit to London in the 1880’s ‘people of the Abyss” – highly recommended reading.
I can speak for the atmosphere in the UK, the media here is going absolutely beserk, I’ve never seen anything like it, they are totally freaking out. The British media, such as it is, including the vile & truly repugnant BBC was brazenly anti-Trump & pro-Biden, the other day they were openly saying that they (meaning the UK side of the empire) would have been better off with Trump. This is total panic mode. It’s not like they did not know the west as a collective is in decline, even the BBC has commented on that, & the IMF has stated openly that the US Dollar will not be able to maintain its status as global reserve currency forever – which is what allows the US to spend endlessly on military adventurism – but now that it is happening, they are all in shock. They clearly did not expect the Titanic to go down quite as fast as it is – to be honest, I am a bit taken aback myself, & I’ve been expecting this for years, when 9/11 took place, I told people I knew: the blame will go on Bin Laden/Al Qaida, the US will invade Afghanistan, then Iraq, there will be an insurgency, this will cause the US military to collapse by 2010 & the economy to collapse soon after. It hasn’t panned out exactly like that, but I wasn’t far off – but to see it happening before my eyes, is quite something. This looks to me like the US is about to experience a Soviet Union style collapse, which does not mean an identical series of events but a major political crisis that will cause institutional rupture, with the system imploding as various factions with power, wealth & influence turn on each other & begin to carve out new spheres of influence for themselves, which could be a precursor to separatism. We will see. Biden is not going to see out his term, that is for sure, will he be the last President of the US?
With all due respect, I think you’re misreading the situation.
I’m not hysterical about the events in Kabul, and I don’t know anyone else who is either. [US American here] This ‘hysteria’ is entirely media driven. Essentially, the people who control our media want to make good and sure that none of our other forever wars end. To this end, they’ve extended this propaganda op beyond the usual 24 hour news cycle and are going to continue it until they’ve either convinced a majority of the public, or enough pushback develops that they have to drop the subject before it becomes self defeating.
I wouldn’t be surprised if Biden does get kicked under the bus over this. He may have been the media’s choice for President, but politicians are disposable for the people doing the controlling. He can always be replaced with someone more compliant, and his obvious cognitive deficiencies will make this an easy project.
With all due respect, I think you’re misreading the situation.
Maybe, but I get most of my info (like 99%) from Zone B and there I see a quasi consensus on this issue.
I said that the USA as we knew them is dead. Now we are entering a transition phase similar to Russia in the late 80s and 90s. But yes, however one chooses to interpret what happened in the 6th and since, which I don’t want to discuss here, it is over for the USA we knew. At least these are my two cents
“Now we are entering a transition phase similar to Russia in the late 80s and 90s.”
In a few years, I bet that most Americans would say that they wished it were that situation. It’s much worse than that.
Russian people were culturally adapted and historically prepared to the system collapse (for instance, being able to raise vegetables on balconies). After WW2 and the “Patriotic War”, the 90s struggles seemed hard but not terminal.
I cannot figure out how immigrants of 1st generations, who came there to achieve their “American Dream”, would stay in a Far West scenario and not migrate elsewhere if things get awry.
Perhaps some truly Conservative ccommunities in the Rust Belt will make do in a collapsing economy, but both coasts don’t seem very able to cope with catastrophy.
Yes, it will indeed be much worse than most of what Russia has endured. The fact of the matter is that while the Russians survived the total collapse of the Russian Empire right in the hellfire of WW1, the Pindos are absolutely clueless about how to build a new society on the ashes of the old except by squatting and genocide. Alas, the prospects for such entirely parasitic solutions look ever more unconvincing. Interesting times ahead.
The Saker wrote:
1) The Empire died in January 8th 2020
2) The USA (at least as we knew them) died on January 6th 2021
On August 16. 2021 Benjamin Fulford wrote:
“The U.S. has a GDP of about $20 trillion and over $200 trillion in debt and unfunded liabilities”.
“The U.S. corporate government has external payment deadlines every September 30th and January 31st”.
“In January 2020, the U.S. failed to make their payments. They were given a grace period until February 16th, 2020 but were still unable to make their payments”. https://benjaminfulford.net
If so, it means that the U.S. corporate Government has gone bankrupt.
And that America has already entered a period similar to the collapse of the former USSR.
During the collapse of the USSR, Russian soldiers guarded Nuclear weapons for months, without pay.
P.s: Andrei, is there something the whole world have missed, because our media was filled with COVID?
Yes, there is. Mostly the HUGE consequences of the Kabul disaster and what it set in motion. I will return to that topic in the future. Cheers
I agree with you. I live in a small-mid sized town, and no one is talking much about any of this. What a lot of people in Zone B don’t understand is that the vast majority of people in the US just don’t care about politics, especially foreign policy, unless it impacts them financially. They don’t want to hear about it, and they certainly don’t want to discuss it with anyone that doesn’t completely agree with them.
This is one of the reasons Washington gets away with, well, murder so easily, as long as it’s not our troops.
Right now everything is going on like before. And it will continue to do so for everyone until it’s you that loses your job and becomes homeless. There’s still lots of people left that don’t think it can happen to them.
Nothing will change until lots more people, and I mean lots more, become desperate. The dollar has to go first before there’s any “collapse”. IMHO
Exactly! The vast majority of Americans simply don’t care about the Empire. We see the federal government and the media as occupying forces that we have no choice about and we have all learned to live with these forces. We are almost exclusively interested in tribal politics which are nothing but incoherent rants and ridicule of the “other” side.
“With all due respect, I think you’re misreading the situation.”
Maybe, Bill, there is a cognitive deficit or just plain lack of understanding. If you read my comment, I am clearly referring to the media – media hysterics – not the population. Although, considering you don’t live in the UK, I am not sure how you can claim to know what the situation is here over a person who actually lives here.
That said, I repeat, the media in the UK is creating a hysterical atmosphere, of course that hysteria will not permeate amongst those sectors of the population who are generally ignorant of what is going on in the world, but for those who are keyed in, especially the ‘intellectual’ segment of society, that hysteria is taking hold with them completely. I can not speak for the US, I will not attempt to, but the media scene from what I can make out over the web is fairly hysterical there as well. What the average joe thinks I have no idea & would not presume to know. Here in the UK though, the upper echelons of society are in panic, they are terrified that the empire is taking a nose dive, they are practically calling for Biden to be lynched.
With all due respect I think you are misreading the situation lol. The British liberal commentariat has been hysterical for years…so what?
‘The upper echelons of society are in panic’…really why? All protests and demonstrations can now be banned, any UK citizen can now be legally assassinated with a secret government order, secret courts without juries pursue dissidents, and the majority of truly non-compliant and dissenting citizens are included within the 15% who refuse vaccination (and they are now banned from public assemblies and international travel). So I’d say that for the British ruling classes everything is going just swimmingly.
In the US ruling classes we are now beyond any kind of plan making, this is a “run for your life” kind of situation, and that means “each man for himself”.
It looks even worse than I thought. From that chaos nothing good can be made. The question is what will collective Biden do next? Can we expect new war somewhere else in the world or there will be a power struggle inside Washington establishment?
I’ve heard some rumors that US army is preparing to pull out from Syria. If that’s true, we could see retreat from Iraq as well.
the question is what will collective Biden do next?
very little besides damage control and propaganda spinning.
the US tools of statecraft are broken, the Executive has already lost control.
all they can do is try to hide it for as long as possible!
What will collective Biden do next? I’m curious who or what constitutes “collective Biden”. Actual Biden is an actor reading a script. That’s painfully obvious. Who is writing it?
Harris taking over will be very, very bad. I believe she is a psycho no better than Hillary and the elites may use her to trigger an apocalyptic WW3 style conflict rather than accept the destruction of their empire. They will launch a big war, possibly justified by another 9/11 style event, in a vain attempt to reassert imperial dominance and redraw the geopolitical map. Except this time the casualties of WW2 will look like a picnic in comparison as nuclear weapons are exchanged between nations, which the witch Harris will no doubt not hesitate to authorize.
This is very, very worrying, and I am honestly terrified.
Twice before (at least) the US has switched VPs before the sitting President exited the stage. Truman for Wallace before FDR died and Ford for Agnew before Nixon resigned.
Harris has proven she is not ready for prime time and is clearly not as easily trainable as Obama was.
“Twice before (at least) the US has switched VPs before the sitting President exited the stage.”
I suspect they will push Kamala aside and put Obama in her place. She is his puppet anyway. When Biden leaves, Obama will take over. :)
I am glad to be in Ukraine.
I agree with you. VP Kamala Harris doesn’t carry any weight even within the Washington beltway, let alone around the world. Most likely Obama will take over, unless there is a game changing falseflag that sweeps all the differences and bickering aside. Thank God Almighty I foresaw this 16 years ago and left the country.
Glad your in the Ukraine for your first one who has stated so as most are trying to leave it.
But no Obama will never be offered the job nor accept it he’s sly and cunning but no fool for he to can see the handwriting on the wall.
Obama has already served the maximum allowed two terms. Forget about the magic black man.
Third in line is the speaker of the House of Representatives, currently Nancy Pelosi.
Fourth in line is president pro tempore of the United States Senate, currently Patrick Leahy.
None of which matters, as the puppet in the Oval Office doesn’t actually run the corporate state.
Obama is ineligible for Vice President, because he served two full terms as President (vix. 22nd Amendment). Of course, a coup d’etat could change that.
I fail to see how a military coup will restore the USA to something it never was.
USA has always been run by the 1% corporate elite. The Mayflower voyage was a profit seeking chartered company, set up in The City of London, the pilgrims were all shareholders in the corporation. They were sailing with a land grant from the King, who was supposedly persecuting them. Parting gift to the persecuted? Not a one way trip to a penal colony down under?
It was just 18 years from the Boston Tea Party to the Whiskey Rebellion. A protest against an unconstitutional Federal tax on a domestic product. The real reason for the tax imposed on whiskey? The people of western Pennsylvania were using bottles of whiskey as currency instead of US scrip issued by banks on the Atlantic coast. The East coast bankers were not getting their cut of the local economy. George Washington sent Federal thugs to repress the rebellion.
South Vietnam had a series of military coups, none of which did anything for the Vietnamese People.
The US Military is never deployed By, Of, or For The People. Deployed for Corporate profits.
Yes, Harris should resign so a new VP can be appointed. Someone who can win in 2024.
Anonymous, I agree with you. You can’t discount the potential of the deep state to create chaos, and then re-order things as a result of the chaos…Hegelian dialectic.
The psychopaths leading the western world are capable of a dirty/nuclear falseflag to cause enough fear and anger amongst their citizenry…and then drag the dying empire into the final throws of death.
This is not just another garden variety Fourth Turning that happened every 80-82 years in the past, that Neil Howe and William Strauss wrote about in their 1997 book, “Fourth Turning”.
This is a biblical fourth turning that will result in nuclear horror show and repentence, and then sincere return to God Mighty and Majestic, such that, HE Mighty and Majestic having accepted a collective sincere repentence will send another Prophet (spoiler alert, Prophet Jesus, peace be upon him and his Blessed Mother, Maryam), who leads himanity to re-establishment of Divine Laws on Earth based on universal justice as the final end of history…and not Francis Fukuyama’s version of imaginative history.
The Saker: The USA (at least as we knew them) died on January 6th 2021
I do not find the “evidence” impressive. The same people screaming voter and election fraud are mostly the same people who called Gore a sore loser, demanded he concede, dismissed irregularities in 2000 and 2004, and spent decades calling Democratic/liberal voters lazy and hoping for rain to reduce their turnout.
Anyway, I am sure if we had competent people in power (at least the broad sense, if not the professional sense) some way to guarantee integrity of the vote without simultaneously suppressing it could be devised.
If Biden is not legit, it is because of the Primary and the theft from Sanders. This may be for the best since maybe, if you are smart, you do not really want to be President anytime during the first quarter or better of the 21st Century and end up taking the heat for the inevitable.
I can think of alternative dates of losing the USA:
Or 12 December 2000 when the five of the nine votes that mattered selected the Commander-in-Thief
Or 22 November 1963 when we lost the last Statesman-in-Chief
Or 23 December when Wilson signed the Feral Reserve Act
Or 21 April 1898 when the U.S. blockaded Cuba
Or 10 May 1886 when corporations became 14th Amendment citizens
Or 24 April 1846 when Zachary Taylor got 80 troopers ambushed so James Knox Polk could have his war
If Anatoly Timofeevich Fomenko, Gleb Vladimirovich Nosovsky, et al. are even partly correct in that we cannot trust world history before about 1600 and U.S. and Russian history around 1850, perhaps we never really had a Constitutional Republic even before 1846.
How far back ya wanna go?????
Well, I do not want to discuss internal US politics anymore.
Let’s just say that I presented reality as best I could distinguish it and you did the same, and we came to different conclusions.
Time will show anyway.
To 1620 (Plymouth Colony and Mayflower Compact),1628 (Massachussets Bay Colony – The City upon a Hill – a dung-heap actually).
I am of course biased, but in my opinion it is the 23 March 1999 and the bombing of F.R.Yugoslavia.
It is when the international legal system broke down. It greatly influnced the removal of the drunkard in Moscow and loss of power of the selected oligarch class with dual/triple citizenship there. And the “accidental” bombing of the Chineese embassy (by means off which satelite data was sent to the Yugoslav defence), resulted in the switch of Peking perception and ideology.
Had not that happened, neither would the new millenium middle east adventures, nor the Arab spring events happen.
When it comes to the day America died or international law broke down, undoubtedly a lot more candidates as well.
“After them, most US Americans will enter some variant of the five stages of grief… ”
Judging by current issues (NS2, Kabul-troubl(e)), officials are already in Bargaining stage. Clueless masses oscilating between Anger and Denial.
Denial in European colonies is still larger. At least Italy left his base in Herat with their waving flags, in good order and passing the duty to the allied Afghans (no matter that then Herat lasted only few days); but on return to Italy, not even a minister went to the airport to greet the troops. Silence, absolute silence about Italian deaths and injured, and money wasted, total silence about the causes of this fiasco. Mainstream journalists are alternating talks about the revenge of Talibans against people left at the airport or the skepticism about the claimed moderation in shaping their new Emirate.
I was shocked by hearing a British guy speaking at the parliament and admitting that this sudden fall was not expected. But following this and other blogs, I was already aware of the probable imminent fall of Kabul since last June, how is it possible that we, at home, are more informed than people directly involved on the field! How can they be so dumb? Global consequences of these events are not realized yet.
“I was shocked by hearing a British guy speaking at the parliament and admitting that this sudden fall was not expected”
Judging by British anger, Americans played them into thinking that they do not want to retereat for real. Something on the line of recent Trump’s narative how all his negotiations with Talibs was a “RUSE”.
Like, “I was just kidding, and Biden didn’t get the joke!” (I am baffeld how the most surreal asumptions turns up right!)
This is correct, I commented on this before, the real reason the US cut & run the way it did was practically admitted by Biden, he said we (the US) were not prepared to engage with a Taliban spring offensive. That in a nutshell is it – the US would not admit to their “partners” & supposed allies that they had no stomach to fight the Taliban, whilst the Taliban were getting ready to launch a series of major assaults through the summer. So the US cut & run, without warning anyone.
Exactly. All of that was said&done long time before, and then, conveniently disappeared from MSM.
Dead giveaway that it is truth.
There is very simple reason why nothing you see/hear on TV or read in press is true.
There is finite amount of space/time and almost infinite amount of customers eager to sell you their Snake Oil. Logicaly All you can
Andrei, a myrid of reasons why it is so, but the main reason, the only reason I see, and it’s been a problem for a long time…..the media, how US citizens are addressed, (‘edjumacated’ to quote amarynth)….and it is beat in to them from early childhood.
CNN rules, people remove their frontal lobes and insert CNN probes with each parroted permiation that flows from their screen.
I’m in Canada, work/ed for Nuns, when you see what they watch for news (CNN) then listen to the Clintonesque garbage that flows from their mouths…….thats indictitive of a Canadian audience, imagine the US audience. And other Canadians, the ones with the same egg yoke that is currently dripping from bewildered US faces, just want to bomb the crap out of the Taliban. No reason needed. Sad to live among that mindset.
btw, if CNN stay on the air waves, there will be no stages of denial…….they will be told ‘they are great, perhaps exceptional even, and to carry on, the world hates us.’ Frogs in a pot comes to mind, although there may be the odd crab that tries to scale the sides.
Sorry to be dense….. you worked for Nuns?
What are Nuns?
PS For every person who voted for or supported Trump for reasons having to do with The Saker, Paul Craig Roberts, Moon of Alabama, etc. type narratives there are 10 supporting him due to Faux Hasbara, Fox Plunderbund, and One Neoconservative Propaganda type narratives with the latter category quite hostile to the narratives of the first. I guess the Bannon Breitbart types are someplace in-between. At least that is the way it looks to me anyway.
Let’s clarify something here.
1) my support for Trump was in the context of his campaign against Hillary where he said tons of good things.
2) then my support, kinda, of Trump was for not starting a war
Other than that, as soon as he fired Flynn I called him “the punkass bitch of the Israel Lobby”, that was about 30-40 days into his rule.
1) I STILL believe that Hillary would have led Russia and the US to war. And I STILL believe that voting for Trump against Hillary and Biden was the right thing to do.
2) Biden turned out to be far, far weaker than I ever could imagine it. Which, AT THIS POINT IN TIME, would make me say that he is “less horrible than Trump”. Hardly a sincere cry of love and support, right?
Finally, as I also have said, the US Presidency, as in institution, is now too weak and who nominally runs is makes zero difference. Think of the Soviet Politburo under Chernenko if you want.
So now, until the US polity itself, (the regime rather than any one specific government) changes, the identity of the occupant of the White House makes no difference at all, at least in opinion.
But I assure you that I have nothing but disgust and contempt for that pathetic, weak and narcissistic liar known as Donald “grab them by the pussy” Trump. He woudl even make a bad doormat, nevermind leader.
I just wanted to clarify.
Bannon Breitbart types are someplace in-between.
Oh, these hate me for debunking their Papacy as a fake-Church.
So they mostly left anyway
I totally agree with you Andrei. Bannon and his Catholicism is another head of the Hydra. All the heads have to be cut off for the thing to die.
My sentiments exactly. Boy do I get kicked by my family etc for these views. They are unable to see past the idea of Trump being a fool/bad man etc.
I agree with you. Hitlery would have taken us into WWIII right away because the Zionist didn’t achieve their goal of engaging Russia in Syria. I thought WWIII was going to start in 2013 under O’bummer.
While campaigning Trump said a lot of promising things to get elected. All the farce about MSM attacking him was just a show to legitimize Trump. He is part of the cabal.
And now we have another Democrat President (even more damming, with dementia) just as the other two who precided over WWI (Woodrow Wilson) and WWII (Franklin D Roosevelt).
And the State Dept run by Antony Blinken, a card-carrying Zionist Jew. I have no problem with Orthodox pr Secular Jews…just don’t support warmongering Zionists that want to redraw, and then redraw once more, the map of the Middle-East.
why should another people (Palestinians and Arabs) pay the price of Holocaust that was committed by fanatic Germans of yonder years? Hasn’t the ‘Holocaust cow’ been milked enough for the Christian guilt?
Biden weak? OK, maybe, but do you think his handlers wanted the Afghanistan war to end? Would any of the others done it? There’s something here, inside Biden, that we don’t know. He pushed really hard and got it done. Never mind the chaos — the generals had no plan. I think we have to admit that Biden actually did this.
Biden is a senile fool; resembles the King of Sweden pretty much in his statesmanship.
If Biden’s handlers didn’t plan to throw in the towel in Afghanistan, then how would this dotard have changed anything? Or, more to the point, now that Biden’s handlers did carry out the plan of surrendering Afghanistan, then how are the moronic 99% in the US to reverse this utterly intolerable treason? Don’t Pindos after all have a lot of awesome firearns in their possession? Yes. Are they reputable for using them to address any perceived evils on the part of their government? Nope.
The 1% in the US understood resistance was futile. Russia/China/Iran backing up the Taliban proved too much eventually.
Nuss, please explain the meaning of the word “pindos”: translate from Zone A Speak to Zone B Speak, for those of us unfortunate enough to be sitting here in this collapsing, decadent space.
My pleasure, Ted.
Pindo (sl.) :
Russian slur for ”US American”.
“Supported” was too strong of a word. I considered voting “for” Trump in 2016. Living in Ohio, I figured Sanders needed my primary vote more. As I expected, Trump won OH but Sanders lost. I thought Hillary would steal the general election anyway and went for Stein.
At this point I do not see any good options. Probably the least bad route of future events is a Russian and Chinese takeover which is unlikely for numerous reasons. WWIII would most likely end in a very M.A.D. way (I’m betting March 2022 at the latest given the hysteria/psychosis and that March is National F— Up Another Hapless Nation Month), if not occupation would happen only if they feel the alternative is a 20 year truce as was the case in WWI.
There are too few competent (even in the broad sense) people in the U$ to run a county, let alone the country.
I also want to add this:
the REAL and ONLY political ideology (I am using this term *very* loosely here!!) would be what Alain Soral calls “National-Zionism”.
I totally concur with Soral on the term and I think that Trump and LePen represent that very toxic ideology.
Le Pen’s dad is an anti-semite, not a zionist. Just because his daughter is against islamization of France that does not make her a zionist. You use the term zionist quite often like an insult to anybody. Zionists live in Israel, jews in the west are globalists not zionists. There is no such thing as an anglo-zionist empire, we call it the Atlantic empire, an anglo-germanic empire. Zionists (Israel) are merely Spartan warrior lapdogs of the US who do their bidding in the middle east. The mess in Ukraine that you have to thank the EU (Germany) for. The Yugoslav civil wars that too was triggered by German expansionism, arrogance and their political encouragement for seperatism along communist drawn internal administrative lines.
I am not in any five stages of grief. I am jubilant!. As Biden said, this is not just about Afghanistan, this is “about ending an era of major military operations to remake other countries.” The is a sea-change in American foreign policy. It is a massive defeat for the neo-cons who have been running this British Empire policy since the days of Reagan and Thatcher.
I believe Americans are overwhelmingly approving of Biden’s decision. The only ones hysterical are the neo-cons.
OMG. Biden did utter those words ..that America is not nation building anymore. We can’t have that now can we…(sic). It will be only a short matter of time until Biden gets replaced.
I am not in any five stages of grief. I am jubilant!.
Well, you probably live in Zone B, at least inside your mind!
I have mixed feelings.
Of course I am happy the Empire tanked, and I am happy that Uncle Shmuel does not have the means of its propaganda (his fists have osteoporosis and his brain is fried…).
But the human costs of ANY collapse is huge, that is what Putin meant when he said that the collapse of the USSR was a geostrategic catastrophe. The same goes for the USA.
Always remember that most US Americans are ALSO the victims of the Empire.
Your first mistake was believing anything that any politician said.
The Council on Foreign Relations determines US Foreign Policy. The Office of the President, assisted by public opinion polls, decides what spin will be placed on that decision.
The President reads that script from a teleprompter. Any correlation between that and the truth is a coincidence.
I believe you underestimate the stupidity of the American people at this juncture. The idiotic Americans, you and I excepted, do indeed want Biden thrown to the dogs. His own party hates him, added to the other half for whom Biden is their natural enemy. Crunch the numbers.
This short commentary says so much and elicits so many emotions that it is hard to know where to start or even what to say.
For those of us who got off of the Empire Titanic decades ago and resisted it’s treachery there is simply no joy in being right in the end.
Too many friends and family members bought into the false narrative of American greatness and went along with the plan. Many of them lost their lives believing they were fighting for good and right and democracy. These mostly decent people would not listen to any alternative view of the country as empire and literally dumped us resisters from their lives. Out of sight and out of mind.
Even now, at this late date, many of them continue to ignore the truth right in front of them. Even as the cold waters lap at their ankles they still think that the “government” and institutions are with them and not the elites. Everything will be OK. It’s laughable.
I notice the rumor mill is on high led by such bloggers as James Howard Kunstler. According to JHK there is a cabal of alt former and current military who MAY be organizing something to get rid of Old Joe. Then there is the rumor that Biden will step down, Harris will assume the presidency, name Obama as VP, then Harris will quit and lo and behold Obummer is in again. Completely legal you see. As if Obama could save anything. I bet the rumors grow even more grandiose over time.
What I do know is that no one wants to talk about this with any of us who have been saying this day(s) is coming and has been coming for a long long time. I get stone cold silence along with the cold shoulder as if being right about this makes me the enemy. I guess no one wants to admit they’ve been suckered via propaganda for so long.
I think most will stay in denial until the cold waters are up around their necks and god only know who or what they will lash out at then.
It may be time to shut up, grab the popcorn and watch the show. There is not much left to do.
@Justice for All…
Amen… God Bless… Exactly… and… Thank You.
As an American, this is the way I have felt and have been treated since 1972 till now when I, alone in my youth and still somewhat alone in my senior years now, would square off against 20+ American adults (any time any place) to explain/argue against US War Crimes and Crimes against humanity by the US Political and US MIC powers.
Vietnam, Laos, Cambodia, Indonesia, Panama, Grenada, Nicaragua, Venezuela… Iraq 1… etc… etc… etc… etc… now up to Syria, maybe Iran and beyond ?
I have wanted a few things for the USA since the 1970’s… and we seem to be headed there… quite fast.
1. America – To Lose Their Reserve Currency Status Advantage.
2. America – To Dissolve all Overseas Bases and end USA overt and covert illegal war crimes.
3. America – To Negotiate in Good Faith and on Equal terms with the other powers of the world.
4. America – To Honor and Obey the US Constitution for the good of the USA and the World.
5. America – To honor her international treaties and pay her debts she owes around the world.
I could go on for quite number more points… but this is the essence.
All sorts hysteria in UK too….from the warmi gets who still believe something should be done…..media trying to fabricate and exploit any true or false situation rhat proves Taliban are still exactly who they are…tribal medieval gung ho terrorists and now thieves for stealing all the abandoned military equipment and we should panic about that and expect rhem to start yerrorist attacks with it all( much of it broken…very few T repairers pilots and I cannot imagine many spares available and surely T would still rely on guns and RBG type stuff)….yet certain agencies seem to be in negotiation with the T regarding any future refugees evacues(whether UK citizens, (really so many out there? ) ” affiliates” of UK civil and military…economic refugees women and children etc. Seems to be an amount of enjoyment if T are killed by northern alliance. Not much mention of Isis. I suppose one could check out what strategy initiative 77 brigade and all those groups are up to. Cynism abounds and is probably stirred up of the stated peaceful intentions of the T.
Virtually no mention of th dosh being held back….funding…captive bullion…169 m with Ghani…any humanitarian funding available restarting etc.
Requests to rebuild Afghanistan being ignored in west infers that Afghanistan is not worth it and deserves punishment. Just like Syria…..Iranian and Venezuelan funds still imprisoned. West trying to create some kinds of situations where leverage can be used. Certain segments of UK politicians dare not expose there historic humbug attitudes..but only go round and round in their own shambles they made. Hopefully people being sickened by the sham and shame of our political self risen flim flam politicians and these ripples will spread outwards. Whether “refugees “will be fairly treated in UK and what happens to them might expose more of it.
“Until then, expect more hysterics and infighting”
Expect serious feuds and smearing campaigns on the scale never seen before. Involving names and families few of us ever heard of.
Texas is braindraining the rest since lockdown so backlash is to be expected over the state lines too.
I do not believe that Kamala will be president. BLM played their role and now must wait another crysis to be needed again. Only then she will be reconsidered. Maybe, if she change gender …
Seriously, USA needs strong person to navigate country out the trouble waters. And while deviant generation of hereditary oligarchy is in power sush person have 0% chance to emerge. US is in a deadlock without hope.
US rulers are quite fond of Roman Empire, and have copied many good things from them. Ironicaly, demise could be similar too. Disolution in many City-statelets, some insignificant – some serious players.
To emerge again as USA, first it must be cleansed from within, then rebuilded again, hopefuly, on healthy principles. Just, process takes decades or centuries. By than, World will be quite different place.
We should not fear of the nuclear holocaust as long Oligarchy believe that they have place(s) to escape with their treasure.
Denial will continue until the USD loses its status of the International reserve currency.
Until then, provided that most people could fill the tank with USD 3-4 the gallon and cover monthly food needs and TV package expenses, denial will continue.
Biden, Harris, Trump, Hillary, Obama, Bush…as if it matters. They are all puppets on strings. They get their orders from elsewhere. The press keep the focus there to protect their real masters and the outrage is directed accordingly as distraction. Leadership in America is simply myth. It does not exist, except as a bullring. Mainstream reporting on Afghanistan is all rubbish and hardly worth commenting on except as spectacle. Leaving Somalia, a US officer was asked for the solution- he said ‘arm them better and seal the borders’. Here then is the US solution. A thoroughly depraved US establishment has little use for diplomacy or negotiation at home or abroad and neither does a brainwashed public. Violence has become law. Violence has become the only necessity. Act accordingly. Australia, like many others, is joined at the hip to this poisonous failing behemoth and will pay a similar price. Failure is not an option, it is inevitable. The Titanic was built as well as any ship could be. Steering was the issue. The US and it’s allies stand in ice or blood with equal disdain so let it rise.
I don’t think that the average American understands the significance of what just happened in Afghanistan.
The Afghanistan debacle means “game over” for the West.
Large parts of northern countries of the SCO will no longer be cut off from the Southern part by the occupation of Afghanistan.
The BRI from China will no longer be cut off from Iran by the occupation of Afghanistan.
Afghanistan’s vast mineral riches will not be mined by and for Western interests.
Gas pipelines will no longer be laid out to please the geopolitical dictates of NATO.
China and Russia will be in a much better position to interdict terrorist infiltration in Southern Russia and Western China.
The United States will no longer surround Iran.
Russia and China will move into the vacuum of power that has been created.
I could go on and on.
This is the proverbial “game changer.”
I am sure some of the more knowledgeable journalists and political insiders in the West understand the magnitude of what just happened. But I am willing to bet that a vast amount of journalists and political insiders don’t get it. They will only see the end of empire in retrospect.
The Afghanistan debacle means “game over” for the West.
I fully agree with that.
@Mike from Jersey
Great post, you hit the nails on their heads.
One more thing: The NATO alliance are fractured.
There is a clear sentiment of break between mainland Europe and the US, presented via European news media. That may be what is alarming London.
There is now a chance that an European Army could be reborn on the back of a crumbling NATO.
Neither NATO nor an European Army are the solution looking forward.
I hope for a Nordic alliance, as counterweight to Washington-London and Berlin-Paris.
I disagree. Afghanistan still has CIA operatives and a pro western government militia. The civil war will continue and USA will be keep the country in chaos.
“Afghanistan still has CIA operatives and a pro western militia. The USA will keep the country in chaos”.
Yes there will be chaos in Afghanistan, but not by the US.
Every western aligned person remaining in Afghanistan will be hunted down and executed publicly by the Taliban.
The poppy production will be halted by the Taliban, thus eradicating the black budget for CIA to operate.
The European Nations do not want anymore Afghani refugees: Neither does the Taliban want the Afghani populations to leave the country. There will be no support from Europe to intervene in Afghanistan.
The next shoes to drop, will be when US troops are forced out of Syria and then out of Iraq.
You are correct but things have changed.
The supply lines for CIA backed terrorists is now much longer. The entire SCO is united to stop terrorism. No one wants it. The entire region is sick of it.
So, yes, attempts at disruption will continue but I believe that it will be slowly defeated and eventually ended.
Totally agree with your comment!
the games are just beginning
Good old humanitarian imperialism, what really happened to you or as GWB once asked: “why do they hate us although we are so good?”
And the very same GWB also said, albeit in a different context:
— They misunderestimated me
That would make appreciable sense in addressing the ”personified-by-Bush” West’s standing in the eyes of the world, LOL.
Haha, spot-on. Describes ”zone A” to a T.
Let me make one thing very clear here: Stop worrying about WW3, at long last. It would be one thing if the 99% in the collective West (zone A) were in charge of anything — they are not. Otherwise, due to their badly hurt egos, WW3 would have been started if not at the drop of a hat so definitely after such a monumental, humiliating defeat as in Afghanistan. As regards the psychopaths known as neocons, they are not in the mood for any WW3 for quite the same reason Navalny won’t sacrifice himself in any hunger strike: Unless their own worthless lives are 100% guaranteed to be spared in the process, it’s just not an option. Their cowardice, cretinism, and self-love have the final say; not their masturbatory, violent fantasies. As opposed to the MSM’s faithful audience, the 1% among the Pindos and the Euro-trash understood that it was game over in Afghanistan. Vastly superior, agile enemies in the form of the resistance countries told Zone A that ”We are calling the shots here now — get out. The Taliban have our backing”. To the spoon-fed 99% self-worshippers in Zone A, this feels like a whole bucket of excrements right in the mouth, adding to their well-justified anxieties about being ditched by the 1%. Liberal blogs here in Sweden are awash with people posting incoherent drivel in a state of utter madness, and I take it for granted it’s the same elsewhere in zone A. Great fun to watch.
Zone A is on its last legs finally. Deal with it.
Stop worrying about WW3, at long last.
If the leaders of the West, US or EU were mature, educated and rational adults I would agree with you.
But that is, alas, not the case.
Also, don’t kid yourself, the US nuclear triad is still fully capable to fulfill its mission.
A nuclear war, WWIII, can happen in less than a coupe of hours.
That is a fact.
I’m not so sure about the land-launched nuclear missiles. These are old systems that aren’t really tested like they should be. The short and medium range options are largely out of Europe. Zone B might have an advantage in a 1st strike. (Hope that never happens!)
Nuclear weapons are always a TOP priority for all those countries which have them.
Besides, much of the US triad is from submarines, those still work.
No side can survive a first strike, I am convinced of that.
It is true. I have seen the Radiation charts for Europe in the 90’s and have an FM from the 80’s that covers CONUS. There are small pockets in CONUS that have a pretty high survival rate but Europe is finished for a century or more. I assume M.A.D. is still a thing. One never knows with the idiots in charge of zone “A” anymore. All the best!
The more incompetent and feeble they are, the greater the chance for the “oh sh*t” moment.
Here we can see the social decline that the United States is going through. The spiral of collapse becomes more evident. https://youtu.be/FC0aio4JLyM
8/1/2020 was the death certificate date. But the actual death was 9/11. John Kerry said on his dabate in 2004: 55 THAUSAND American companies moved to China with tax credit incentives. If that is not death I don’t know what is.
Putin and Xi will be studied for thousands of years to come. The shock and awe that was supposed to be against China and Russia now the empire will begin to understand. The shock and awe not only it destroyed America but also bankrupted its allies and partners as well. And if I might add their capacity to manufacture is struggling. Europe does not have enough natural resources and they never can compete with China. I feel sorry for many Americans who really worked very hard believing in the American dream and now they realized it is only dream. By the way I don’t see any politician can save the day. They all believe they are exceptional and use tools from the same box. Who ever transferred from the sterling to the dollar is transferring from dollar to renminbi. Covid 19 will leave this galaxgy in disgust. I’m sorry Andre I had to say it.
But the actual death was 9/11
911 was a real coup against the peoples of the USA.
As for disgust, we all deserve it,sadly…
We did let “them” get away with Kosovo, 9/11, Libya, Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan, etc.
Only Iran REALLY stood against them.
Even Russia was, and still is, wishy-washy…
I totally agree with you Andrei – I am so proud of Iran. I wish I had always lived there, even though every time I ever say that, even to people who have lived in Syria – they all say
No you don’t.
But Iran is magnificent
What are your thoughts about the upcoming elections in Russia. Does the US+EU have a chance in changing the outcome in favor of anti-Putin elements?
It’d be great if you can post an update on the run-up to the elections.
All true.. As you said, one could go on&on…
When the Fat Lady Sings, I fear that biggest cockroaches will scatter all around the world and infest other countries. Maybe its time to update international law.
To enumerate and strictly forbid all tricks of their trade. Any suggestions?
If you are on the Titanic then you might as well have another drink.
It is not yet time to celebrate.
The US has 7000+nuclear weapons.
The US has a track record of using them just to make a point.
A key characteristic of psychopathic people is that they have the attitude- If I can’t have it, no one else can.
the same shysters that brought the ‘nuke’ to life, are the same shyster’s with their stubby greedy grubbies on the hot button in the US atm, and they have a lode of spares in the Negev Desert. Not agreement capable doesn’t even come close….’.if we can’t have it’……..that’s a Zionist mantra.
Don;t forget that the only time the MSM considered Trump ‘presidential’ was when he was launching cruise missile attacks on Syria. The current hysteria represents the feelings of the deep state and probably not many others.
It truly is hysterical! Great article Saker! I appreciate the short updates.
I worry that hysteria with inept leadership will lead to something bad happening!
However, we cannot lose hope!
“Why the current hysteria?”
Because Americans–just like their blood kin, the Zionists–believe they are God’s Chosen Democracy.
Americans never fail to boast that they are the Shining City on a Hill, the Land of the Free, Beacon of Liberty.
In short, America is the New Jerusalem.
Hence, America has a godly right to bomb, invade, exploit and rape the world.
Indeed, these American crimes are not crimes.
They are “supporting freedom,” “promoting our values,” or “defending our way of life.”
Not only that, Americans even believe that they are the *real* victims who are perpetually threatened or taken advantage of by other nations.
The United States is truly a fundamentalist religious cult that rivals any Islamic fundamentalist cult.
Now, however, with its defeat in Afghanistan, this American cult is discovering that they just might be worshipping a false religion of Americanism.
The hysteria seems to be happening to the establishment and its media organs. I am not sure what the general public thinks. Another reason for the hysteria could be that establishment jobs are threatened; if the “War on Terror” is perceived as a farce, how many establishment paychecks will be at risk?
Everyone knew that the US had been fought to a stalemate years ago and would eventually have to withdraw from Afghanistan. What few expected was a botched exit where the US looked like a school yard bully who suffered a major beat down and left with no honor and a complete loss of respect.
What worries me is that the Israelis may now feel exposed and decide to attack Iran before the Anglo-Zionist empire suffers more setbacks. They may decide that time is running out for them to make a move. Time is on Iran’s side not Israel’s.
“The Empire died in January 8th 2020.” – Anyone to elaborate?
Covid broke America January 2020. It can no longer do any more serious harm to the world.
The world of imperialism ran out of cosmic time in December 2012. The American empire was finally silenced in January 2020. Dead as a doornail in January 2020 with no more cosmic life available to it. In August 2021 and the victory of Afghanistan the empire finally realized that it was in fact dead. Hence the hysteria. They know they are dead now. Nowhere to turn. I concur with the Saker’s timeline.
January 2020; Wasn’t that when Iran bitch slapped the imperial legions for the brazen terrorist and criminal murder of one of Iran’s greatest Generals. Iran kicked the American empire in the chops openly and all the empire could do was hope no one saw what happened. The empire caved in the face of Iran. When empires cave in the face of an opponent they “die” in the mass mind. Empires are essentially mental power constructs. Perception means so much.
And then Covid, the great American disgrace. Defeated abroad and defeated at home; January 2020
The Saker wrote an article about this. Look at the list of his articles starting from that date, one of them addresses your question.
As for the Empire dying, it can still destroy the world with its nukes, and it can still kill families and children with its coward drone and fighter jet pilots using missiles.
I’m not hysterical. The US had to leave Afghanistan, and it has to leave the Middle East. It also has to be dismantled and made unable to use its weapons. We are FAR from being safe from US dangers. I don’t know how the US can be neutralized. I’m happy that we are out of Afghanistan although already we have murdered a family there since leaving. I have heard reports or rumors that the US is cooking up more chaos plans. Until the snake stops moving and it’s head is chopped off it can still kill. Will it require an invasion, occupation, and war crimes trials? Can China and Russia pull that off without nukes? One writer thinks so. I would welcome it. US citizens have it coming for not resisting the evils of TPTB.
It’s not game over until the US no longer exists in its current form and until the thieves and murderers who are in charge are no longer in charge but are in prison or death row awaiting justice. If it takes occupation troops and personnel to make that happen, so be it.
For years my main grief, as a military veteran, has been the use of the military as a terrorist force to murder foreign civilians, destroy their countries’ infrastructure, and steal all the wealth of the countries. It has to completely and permanently stop. The criminals must be tried and punished.
When that happens, I will be at peace with the situation, not hysterical.
On January 8th 2020, in revenge for the killing of General Soleimani, Iran fired rockets at US bases. The US did not retaliate.
The Empire knows it is over and may do a last ditch effort to reaffirm authority, so they believe.
The move out of the Middle East is to re-concentrate in Far East.
A scenario where they accuse China to cause the pandemic with fake evidence and call for massive monetized reparations, which China will refuse and the Empire creating a ‘coalition of the willing’ to fight evil China.
How this ends, we all know.
Cheers from France.
They organized a sadistic attack on the Muslim world for 20 years. They might meet the piper from the world of Karma.
Would that it were so easy. There is a mountain of ideological rubble that must be removed before the stark reality of the crisis can be faced. Americans, and by extension Europeans, have fancied themselves Lords of the Universe for half a millenia. The fog of the various explanations and apologetics that have justified that historical imbalance will not dissipate quite so easily.
On the contrary I expect many Zone A elites, and their intellectual mandarins, would rather die than lose their privileged position. I recall the story of the Belgians leaving the Congo and pouring cement down the drains to render them were useless after they left. (We will leave you Blacks in the condition we found you!) I suspect that much the same mentality will be on display as we slip into a new era of international relations. We are in a dangerous, potentially apocalyptic moment – shall the West turn to their statemen, or shall they bay for vengeance.
Reports and images on social media received from Iran indicate that tanks and military vehicles which belonged to the Afghan army were seen in Tehran and other parts of Iran.
Photos have emerged showing armored Humvees being transported from the eastern parts of the country toward Tehran, on the Semnan-Garmsar road.
The first Iranian fuel tanker has reached Syrian territorial waters this morning.
Two more tankers are en route, and a fourth will set out from Iran shortly.
Psychics are predicting a nuclear-like explosion above a city in September.
Is the Empire going down with a Big Bang? I hope not.
Last year, dave, one of your Zionist-minded kin here, a person who went by the name of Wendy, was predicting that Iran would be nuked in May 2021. This did not come to pass, and instead, what did happen last May, was that Iran demonstrated to Israel that the Dimona site is equivalent to an atomic bomb that Iran can detonate at any time.
Nowadays, there is again renewed talk of attacking Iran, and the Iranians have unveiled three new air defense systems just in the last week, to make sure the US and Israel do not make any miscalculations.
In the off chance that your ‘psychics’ are referring to the forever-imminent nuking of Iran, you should tell them to open up their third eyes and see what will become of Israel, if one hair is hurt on Iran’s head.
Personally, I think all Zionist-minded people should stop obsessing over “nuclear-like explosions” and such thoughts of mass murder and destruction, and instead repent before it’s too late.
Like Wendy, and your psychics, I would like to make a prediction as well: Palestine will be liberated, and there is nothing the Americans or the Jews can do about it.
Frankly, many were hoping that the Israelis would make the mistake of moving against the Iranian tanker en route to Lebanon, and we’d get this bloody thing over with already. But the Jews, in their customary superhuman intelligence (or cowardice), chose not to obstruct the tanker’s very important delivery.
So dave old mate, if the US and Israel do not have the stomach to attack a lone Iranian oil tanker in the Eastern Mediterranean, not far from the Israeli coast, are we expected to believe that they will attempt a “nuclear-like explosion” above an Iranian city?
But of course, the Jews may still find their balls. I will try and help, as I too have some psychic abilities to see hidden things. I see..their balls are in the US’ throat, choking the Americans. If the Jews pull their collective teeny weeny out of the US’ mouth, they will find their balls.
Three more tankers are heading towards Lebanon. Plenty of opportunities for the Israelis to show everyone who’s boss.
from the east, I only want to know this – let’s open the horse trading!
Q: who will be (s)elected Next?
(and I will refrain from adding my 2c reading yesterday’s newspaper in tomorrow’s time travel)
3) Nancy P
4) J Yellen
5) Rand P
7) Barry’s bf?
8) Cush or Blington’s bloodline (mayb even the legendary kennedy family?)
9) one of the billionaire from tech w sworn blood ritual to zion
10) do not pass go – go straight to HG (hunger game)
… then we talk about if the nuk can even fly straight? or met w another mach speed object in its path on a premature death?
to date, I personally rate the survival rate for rus to survive nuk 1st strike is 80-90% giving only 10% that slip through and china over 50% up to 80% (granted they control the birds in the outer skies and no west can reconnect their grid in 3 days or maybe even 3 mths their kind of self-entitled ppl will go mad way b4 then prob in mere hours in darkness and boredom) but I admit these are merely wind out of my S!
place your bets ppl!
your life, your future and your bloodlines are all on the casino table!
thats the hysteria part for zone A and B! (when it is zone B dont get it yet/still? Newton’s Third Law of Motion – the scripted bloodbath)
The only viable short term option is a military yunta. All other options will lead to an immediate civil war.
…hmmmm…let us see: someone credible, nationalistic, blessed with oratory skills, someone, who is willing to point the finger and name the perpetrators of the greatest heist in written history, someone, who will proceed to send them packing…
can not think of such a man in this century…
What stage in the Kubler-Ross process is this?
LOL Denial (framed by false narratives)
I would note that according to RT, the Taliban are now better armed than the Ukrainian Armed Forces, courtesy of the rather rapid “withdrawal” of US forces. https://www.rt.com/russia/533461-shoigu-armed-taliban-fighters/
That seems to warrant some degree of hysteria, considering what it illustrates about the state of US military/political “leadership”.
Well, that is David Frum.
These guys have known the truth for years and hid it carefully.
They shaped the mind of Zone A.
I don’t expect them to admit their wrongs.
If only because of their narcissism and delusional myths…
Yes, he is one of the bunch to go on trial for war crimes. As the speech writer for Bush, he has the honour of being a modern Gobels, employed for his propaganda work.
I can see the old neocons whispering to each other in the prisoner box, sometimes helped by a Hebrew translator.
NATIVE NATIONS OR USA
by D. Mabsout
The Native Nations of the New World or what they call –wrongly- the Red Indians of ِ America- had they lived- would have become billions by now. They would have become billions and filled the place had they lived. The New Continent – discovered by accident-by European Pirate Columbus – sent by his Masters the King and the Queen of Spain at the end of the 15th century to loot India- was NOT empty, it was not populated by a handful of savages half clothed who screamed dancing around some fire as has been pictured by Hollywood. The New continent- at the time Columbus landed – was populated by one of the finest people and finest civilizations. The cities were filled with people and the fields were filled with crops . Life was bustling in the streets and in the fields. There were people there, they were fine people, not looters and criminals like the Europeans.
They were civilized like the real Indians like the Sumerians and Assyrians and Phoenicians and Egyptians. People who tried to improve their lives and that of others, who tried to understand. They were Nations, more than 400 languages and cultures who populated the whole continent. People think -wrongly- that these Nations were at war with each other, but no one investigated what kind of wars they fought. They fought, but their wars were a display of power more than anything else. It is after the European looters came that they started having serious differences.
Now, where are the billions of Natives who were supposed to fill the new continent? What happened to them? If you want to know what happened to them just look at Syria and Libya and you will know what happened to them. They were 112 millions all over the continent. In the United States alone they were more than 18.5 millions. What happened to all those. Something happened to them that reduced their number after 5 centuries to less than 3 millions instead of multiplying they shrank.
Hosted by al Mayadeen TV, Professor Munir Akash- of the University of Suffolk – considered every non Native resident of the US an illegal immigrant including himself. Maybe he made exceptions of the Black Africans who were brought there by force. The occupation of the New Continent said Akash -on behalf of Europeans- came as a substitute to the third crusade to Arab countries and to Jerusalem that the Europeans failed to launch because of the Ottoman hegemony. Instead, the Europeans- blessed by the Catholic Church and funded by their Spanish majesties headed across the Atlantic where they landed by mistake in the New Continent.
What was supposed to happen to Palestine and the Arab World happened to the Americas. And what was to be endured by Arabs was endured by the Natives. It was not too long before the same people who took over the North Continent – after decimating the Natives over many centuries – the same Anglo Saxon Breed which outstood all breeds in war crimes, took over Palestine after defeating the Ottomans and created the usurping entity of Israel and replaced the Native Palestinians who were evicted from their land by hoards of Zionist Jews brought from Europe.
Israel is an Anglo Saxon dream that materialized first in US at the hands of the Anglo Saxon settlers before materializing in Palestine. This is why the white settlers who landed in the New Continent at the end of the 16th century took Hebrew names, and called the place the New Israel of God and treated the Natives like Canaanites and sought to exterminate them by various means and replace them and immolate their religion and culture.
The Anglo Saxons who took after the Spaniards and resumed the colonization of the New World have been making history for the last 400 years. What has been done to the Natives of the north continent is being repeated everywhere in Africa and Asia and will remain so until the original wrong done to the Natives of America be acknowledged and fixed .. USA is Native land that has been usurped and occupied for more than 400 years like Palestine has been usurped and occupied for so many years. This land needs to be retrieved; the Native Nations should recover what it theirs for peace to prevail in the world again.
Yes, I too have always wondered if the Native Indian populations had numbered into the millions instead of a rag tag butch of tribes with different dialectic scattered here there spread out over millions of square kilometers what would have happened? The Indians lived like Nomads and I imagine when asked by the new settlers about putting down roots, the Indians were of the opinion or view the land isn’t anybodies possession but belongs to all. I doubt looking out over million of square kilometres they thought of themselves as the owners of everything? Indeed such thoughts wouldn’t even register in their minds really. Unfortunately what always comes is progress which no doubt came as a total and complete shock and awe to the native populations. The railroad as just one example and they were unfortunately left behind.
As for the rest of the comment no Anglo Saxon that I’m aware of ever did what some of the Rulers of India did to their own people. Here is a quote you can munch on to:
Wealth and Poverty
Why, I asked myself repeatedly, did so many American leaders, both in church and in the classroom of the college, speak strongly in favor of world socialism?
E. Stanley Jones, in his The Choice Before Us, declared,
God reached out and put his hand on the Russian Communist.
Communism is the only political position that really holds the Christian position.
In one sense, I found it very difficult to comprehend a man like E. Stanley Jones writing lines that seemed to endorse Communism.
On the other hand, I reminded myself of the years that he had spent in India. In 1953, speaking for many days on the club grounds of Lucknow, I saw the results of this man’s work in that city of north central India. Undoubtedly Jones was moved by the scenes of squalor and poverty that plagued the masses of that great nation. He must have contrasted the poor and the hungry with the abnormal wealth of such men as the Nizam of Hyderabad, a descendant of the Mogul emperors, who ruled over 15 million poverty stricken subjects for decades. Reputedly, he had more wealth than any other man in the world, with a net income of $ 15 million annually. Much of his wealth came from the fabulous valley of Golconda, one of the world’s richest
The Nizam had 500 wives, and he gave his favorite one a gold Rolls Royce. He ate all of his meals off golden
plates, and boasted that the English displayed 24 golden plates in London, while he had golden place settings for 150 guests. One of his favorite diamonds was the l82 o/z carat diamond that he used for a paperweight. He sat in chairs and relaxed on couches of solid gold, and had a carriage of gold built that was not usable because of its weight.
If Stanley Jones endorsed socialism, it was perhaps because he had stood among the beggars and hungry children in the shadow of the Taj Mahal. It was without doubt the most beautiful tomb in the world. It was built by the Indian ruler, Shah Jahan, as a memorial to his favorite wife, Muntaz-i-Mahal, which means “Bride of the Palace.”
It took 20,000 workmen 21 years to erect the Taj, and when the workmen finished the delicate tasks of carving their rnarble and alabaster into 70-foot domes rising 150 feet high, they undoubtedly gazed at the slender minarets, supposedly built as towers for prayer, mirrored in the reflecting pools beside the tomb, and then turned to Shah Jahan for their reward. Did he give them a smile of appreciation or a hand of gratitude? No, the payment they received for creating one of the beauties of the world was the ugly point of the soldiers knife that pierced their eyes. Shah Jahan wanted to make sure no other mo narch would ever again have a Taj as beautiful as his. Cantelon pgs. 103-104
And about taking Hebrew names? What about all of the Arabs who out of respect for Muhammad all name their children the same? I can’t imagine being a banker/loan officer and having to give out loans all day and then going home to his wife who looks at him all stressed out over a day at the office and saying to her husband you okay my dear Muhammad you seem terribly upset? How can i not be I, sigh, I signed loans today for 24 people all of whom are cousins and all having the same or practically the same names?
Please don’t paint the same picture for everyone. History teaches another story to full of proofs of the many incredible wonderful things that was done.
Native American Indians good massacred, poly-genocided by a combo of things.
1) disease which killed more of than than any white men ever did
2) technology (Europeans were better at killing efficiently)
3) the willingness of Europeans to massacre non-combatants (women, children, old people, etc).
4) lack of centralization, which the Europeans quickly organized for themselves
To their defense, they had never come across anything even remotely resembling a European (Vikings in the North, and possible Chinese in the West, did not leave a lasting impact.) So by the time they realized who had come, it was way waaaaay to late.
In Mezo and Latin America local Indians have a lot of advantages
1. Terrain and distances made it very hard to get to them
2. Some of them were highly centralized
The Latin Spanish and Portuguese were not as insanely bloodthirsty and racist like the north Europeans in the North American continent. The Sublimis Deus bull and the great debate in Valladolid debate had a major impact on mostly Latin Christians in Mezo/South America. They had no effect on either Reformed Christians, or local sects (Mormons) or on the mostly Masonic US founding fathers.
Mezo/South American still has plenty of problems, including racism, but compared to the USA and Canada, it is truly a diversity paradise, especially when leftist regimes overthrow US puppets.
and about progress to and the shock and awe that accompanied the look of disbelief on the Native Indians and the white man tell me dear Faisal who, what, where and how did the Native Indians get the knowledge and experience to kill with the colt revolver and rifles? Did not that knowledge come from certain white folk who understanding the nature of sin within the human heart and looking at the hatred, greed and lust in their own brethren who were enemies of even them there is nothing else we can do but teach these Native Indians on the need to protect themselves because for some people the only thing they understand is measured response equal to what was being dished out? So the Natives had friends among the whites who taught them how to use a rifle.
Come down to the current day and age and look we have MAD yes Mutually Assured Destruction by way of the Atom Bomb which no doubt no Zionist wants to be faced with the Arabs having the same as the USA does or had with Soviet Union!
Sorry, Faisal, Columbus et al. Brought the saving gospel of Jesus Christ to the millions of (not-so-noble) savage tribes. Others abused the natives, but they DESperately needed Jesus Christ and civilizAtion. They did not have it. Forget the myths.
Good long-term perspective (as usual). However, more in the here and now I am hoping to get some good reportage from somewhere about how and why the US and Taliban are clearly working together and who and why thought it good to gift them equipment and weaponry enough for a 350,000 strong army.
In other words, it’s more of a debacle in the media than an actual debacle. In any case, we don’t know why yet.
Obviously Intelligence, which is the administrative arm of the unelected kleptocracy entrenched in most international power networks is involved. Is the WH in on it or are the various fractures in the US body politic causing more or less permanent breaks at this point? Just as Trump couldn’t dictate much in the ME unless going along with that which the military-industrial-NSA complex wanted, so also is Biden largely a controlled puppet? But is he controlled by the ones who left the weapons behind and in that loop, or controlled by a different faction which has been outplayed?
One wonders, aye, one wonders….
I see another reason for this hysteria:
When the Soviets pulled out in 1979, the communist regime of Afghanistan did collapse — but it took some three years and with considerable outside support to the rebels; and it took another two civil wars over the next eight+ years before the country “united” under the “democratically elected” government…
OTOH, when the Yanks and their “friends” pulled out in 2021, their “established regime” fell in about three minutes; Taliban did it without any support from abroad, and there isn’t much hope for the current “rebels” to initiate anything that could be called a “civil war.”
So, if anyone were to lose a “popularity contest” (worth too many billions of USD and thousands of US Army/Marines plus more “friends and contractors” KIA) so miserably, they could easily slip into despair, self-doubt and hysteria…
As a subject of the USSA, I would say that the USA as a “them” was ended by Lincoln in the so-called “Civil War”. After that it was an “it”, A regime run by the federal government.
Living in rural Ohio, I do not see any hysteria. The talking heads on the news channels are having fits and laying blame here and there, and all the failed generals and colonels are having snits, but the people in the streets are rather detached. School is starting, parents are buying school supplies, college kids are settling into dorms, and college football is back. NYC is flooded by Ida.
Perhaps the empire has died. Perhaps. Certainly, our Masters have lost face and trust. But Americans are still focused on covid, jobs, families… Politics will have its turn in 2022 and again in 2024. There will be no coup or rebellion.
But it is clear that Europeans need a replacement for NATO. Fortunately Russia is not interested in them so they have time.
The trends in the US in all areas, culture, education, military, politics, public loyalty to the regime, are very bad. But the end is nowhere near. But Russia and China can rest easy that the end will come someday.
Living in rural Ohio, I do not see any hysteria
Good point let me clarify: the hysterics I observe is in the US ruling elites and in the media. But yeah, in the deep hinterlands of Zone A, most folks have no idea…
But Americans are still focused on covid, jobs, families… Politics will have its turn in 2022 and again in 2024. There will be no coup or rebellion.
Agreed again, but remember that a country can die just like a person jumping from a high raise: passing the 7th floor you can truly say “so far so good” but that ain’t gonna change inevitable outcome.
Same here. At least in my personal opinion.
I live in a western suburb of Cleveland (OH), plenty of Fox News watching crazies here. Every time I walk to my local Drug Mart (probably about .8 miles) I probably pass more American flags than I have fingers on my hand and a sign calling for the impeachment of Biden over 10,000 jobs. Plenty of hysteria here. It has been that way for years and getting worse with every passing day.
While taking walks I see all kinds of crazy signs. One example that stands out from some years ago is “Is there life after death? Mess with this truck and find out.”
As we all know, 13 american lives mean absolutely nothing to those holding power, except when they can be used for minipulative purposes, exactly as is being done. There is an endless parade of treacle sympathy and fake patriotism from elcted officials, ‘news reporters’, and retired military/intelligence brass; of course they’re all on the payroll. I don’t know how many times i’ve seen “13 beers (Coors Light?) laid out on a table” by some idiot biker, posted on social media. The outrage is indeed forced, and is being used for one end only: to keep those in the ‘deep state’ in control.
The following is going to annoy/or humnor alot of people, but I’ve been considering this for a while: i think biden (whom i’ve never liked, and for whom i’ve only voted once for my senator) did this on purpose. Putting together what Pepe mentioned in the GrayZone interview, i came to realize that biden may have tried to stick it to the intelligence community by leaving them in chaos, without a guaranteed heroin supply. And the reason i think that this may have been intentional, is the biden is the 2nd, only the 2nd Roman Catbholic president, and he surely knows what happened to the first one, and who did it. It seems logical to me that JFK was a hero in biden’s eyes, and an inspiration. JFK made the big, indeed fatal mistake of telling someone that he would “break the c.i.a. into a thousand pieces”. Biden knows this as well. I can kinda picture biden in an even more demented state mumbling: “Hey, I got the guys that got Jack!” Of course this requires that biden possesses: 1) intelligence, 2) strategic thinking. As my housemate said: “you’re skating on thin ice.”
We know the ‘Kabul Airport incident” was done by the mercenaries of the intelligence/deep state; it ws done after biden left them w/out their heroin ratline. The controllers of the mercenaries are the ones pushing the ‘biden must go’ narrative ad nauseum.
As to comparison w/the break-up of the Soviet Union mentioned by our gracious host, it is to be remembered that when yeltsin turned the tanks on the praliament, the only parliamentarians who held their ground were the Communists. Russia is so lucky to have Putin: someone who can stand up to the abramovitch and borozovsky looters. I really don’t think the US will be so lucky. My impression is that although the oligarchs in the Soviet Union acquired phenominal wealth, it was new wealth, and they did not have the infrastructure to convert the wealth to power. Wealth has controlled power for so long in the US that it probably cannot be turned around.
I’m a little surprised that no one as mentioned the Ukrainian actor and leader of Ukraine met with the braindead president of the US and signed some kind of defense pact on 9/1. I haven’t seen the details but I know Ukraine wants a clear and quick path to enter NATO and weapons of course.
You just said it yourself: It was an audience with a braindead specimen. To which I would like to add the fact that it was the ”leader” of a bogus pseudo-country on the verge of collapse to which aforesaid audience was granted. Crimea was lost forever to Russia 7 years ago. Ever since, the Bandernazis are the most worthless Western bootlickers on the planet, even though they certainly feel that a meeting with the father of none other than Hunter Biden — right in the Offal Office at that — is Earth-shattering news.
Verdict: Nothing to see here. Move on.
What a farce. The Ukies came to grovel at the feet of their overlord and had some requests. They want a clear path to NATO. They want the US to directly negotiate with Russia, and they want weapons and money. If I read the outcome right, all they got were anti tank missiles and a pathetic sum of soon to be worthless $$. The people of Ukraine deserve better than these idiots. They are even stupider the the US “leadership”. I’ll bet most readers here thought the US was the bottom of the barrel but no. At least the US looks down on the Ukies. U -S -A, U -S -A!
”The people of Ukraine deserve better than these idiots. They are even stupider than the US ’leadership’.”
Beg to differ. Crimea, the Donbass, and the westernmost oblast of Zakarpattia are the exceptions, not the rule. The rest of the ”country” got exactly what its people wanted: European values. Or, truth be told, eventually it didn’t turn out in accordance to what the suckers had in mind. Nazism/Russophobia/deindustrialization — well and good. But it was tacitly understood that ”Ukraine” was to prosper at Russia’s expense after kicking Crimea’s filthy Moskals out and inviting NATO in.
With NATO routed in Afghanistan, the Bandernazis’ meeting with Hunter Biden’s father looks even more pathetic in all its futility. Maybe they can be cheered up by Jamala singing ”2021” about the defeat suffered by ”the Afghan people”.
Please allow me to reset the stage for another view point. I think the real winners here were the pakistanis and the Chinese, and the big losers India as well as Israel. Let me elaborate: Afghanistan has about three trillion dollars in rare minerals that both the US and China absolutely need. The huge business of reconstruction of infrastructure in Afghanistan is going to be made by the chinese, plus the silk road may now transit through this country, giving china a virtual way out to the Arabian Sea (and freeing chinese shipping from the constraints of the Straight of Malacca and the Lombok Straight bottleneck. On the other hand, Pakistan is very close to China in trade and political alignment, not to mention that there are more Pastun people living in Pakistan than in Afghanistan (where they are majority anyway).
As for the US, I guess retreat was inevitable and necessary (they’ll pull out of Irak also by yearsend). As far as I can tell there is a redeployment of forces to the Pacific in order to contain China. The problem was the cataclysmic way in which the retreat took place. I fully expected the creation of a transitional government at least to cover americans in their way out.
Now, this is the question I’ve been asking myself: Could this be a time bomb orquestrated by the US intelligence in order to destabilize central Asia and create trouble for China and Russia in their southern borders? Let’s remember the chinese have some 55 miles of frontier with Afghanistan and the region of Xingiang where the uighurs (muslim chinese) live. Russia can have some trouble if the islamic talibans decide to export their fanaticism to Turkmenistan, Tadjikistan, etc. Not to mention the big muslim population Mother Russia has in some regions.
Finally, Iran is another loser in this scenario, because the Hazars (Shia muslims close to Tehran) and the Tadjiks (Sunites, but supported by Iran and not at all friendly to the Taliban), seem to be with their back against the ropes.
“Taliban Reach Out to Shiite Hazara Minority, Seeking Unity and Iran Ties”
The last paragraph: I don’t see Iran is loser. By the sheer fact the complete withdrawal of the sworn enemy of Iran is a success and beneficial especially to Iran. Don’t forget both Iran and Afghanistan have the same language. Another reason that some people repeat the venom the western media mantra of Shia sunnies conflict and hatred. I assure we here as Muslims in this part of the world never heard of it until 1990 when the USA told us through their puppets, our beloved leaders I call them wardins. The reason for that was to direct the enemosity toward Iran Instead of Israel. Iran out smarted its enemies and succeeded. It does not bite more than it can chew. All these problems are created by the west. Maybe Iran would not benefit from the rare metals like the Chinese would. But that is not Iran’s goal. The immediate goal for Iran is to improve the economic life of its population and not live under the threat of a big gun and live with dignity. If as you say Afagnistan would try bother_ neighboring countries, Russia and China made clear to the Taliban they would get the wrath of the whole SCO. If you look at the map you’ll see the Taliban would be squeezed very hard. Iran was admitted to the SCO prior to the USA withdrawal. Peace
What can I say? I think you are absolutely right. I got ahead of myself in respect to Iran. I guess, having 10 borders with other nations, makes persian people natural chess players (I believe it was in ancient Iran where the chess game was invented, wasn’t it?
I agree with you. Te acceptance of Iran as a full member of the SCO is a huge geopolitical event.
Some not apparent yet overwhelming international force factor intervened, instructing that the whole area of the Middle East, Iran, Afghanistan, Pakistan and North Africa should fall under domination by assorted Muslim revolutionaries who impose a so-called Islamic civilization on everyone in those regions,—namely, microregulated, regimented monk-like and nun-like lifestyle for all, so that energy usage will drop drastically,
population growth will become zero and then the population will start declining, as men and women will be forced to live apart and sexual activity between men and women would be micromanaged and reduced to nothing,—and the women would be placed under house arrest so to speak. All art, music, architecture and literature shall be forbidden and destroyed, except very limited rote-learning of permissible worship practices,—and only advanced military technology for endless “holy warfare” against non-Muslim societies would be allowed, but no technology for human comfort, because the monk-like and nun-like lifestyle will not need fancy appliances or fancy capacities for individual travel or individual pleasures. Consumerism would be finished. Capitalism would be gone. Entertainment and recreation would be abolished. Any pursuit of personal individual happiness would be forbidden. The virtues would be self-sacrifice, self-denial, pain and suffering and martyrdom. Such a “civilization” would be a model for dealing with “climate change”. Depopulation would go ahead.—In other words, this whole “Islamic civilization” is actually a powerful tool for the same globalists
to accomplish their goal of stopping human advancement in general, and establishing some sort of “golden age” and “paradise planet” where maybe just some half a million humans and no more would exist, a tiny elite and its slaves-attendants living “in harmony with nature”—and to be sure, “eugenics” would be brought into this as well,—in other words, fascist environmentalism.—Get a better glimpse of the non-human anti-human doctrine, read “The Lightning and the Sun” by “Savitri Devi” the part about Adolf Hitler and what he was all about, this book published by his ardent disciple in 1958.
”Some not apparent yet overwhelming international force factor intervened, instructing that the whole area of the Middle East, Iran, Afghanistan, Pakistan and North Africa should fall under domination by assorted Muslim revolutionaries who impose a so-called Islamic civilization on everyone in those regions —namely, microregulated, regimented monk-like and nun-like lifestyle for all, so that energy usage will drop drastically,”
You’re absolutely correct — no or very little wondrous joys of LGBTQ++ will be on display there, so better stay out. The West lost, and it lost disastrously. Try get over it.
The Taliban are according to much evidence themselves a group of highly aggressive violent militaristic sodomists of the type who hate women and all things feminine and therefore hate and kill the effeminate drag queen types favored in the West as a disgusting embarrassment,—but themselves abhor women and practice sexual contact between men and boys. — Maybe think of the military sodomist tradition of ancient Greece
like with the “sacred band of Thebes”. —Overall anti-women attitudes used to be very strong in the West
during the 19th and early 20th century though not so extreme as the house-arrest morals against women among Muslims like the Taliban.
What I would really like to know is how the Chinese plan to slowly and safely deflate the Empire. What scenarios are they envisioning. What time frames?
The beauty of it is that given how the Empire is self-destructing, hurting itself at each and every twist and turn, the Chinese can act with absolute confidence and determination. Before the end of this decade, Taiwan will be taken back as soon as the corruption, greed, and incompetence of the US regime and the US MIC have sunk the US Navy, leaving it to be sunk literally by the PLAN (if its orders to the US intruders to bugger off are not obeyed pretty damn quickly).
What we see today is the ”Domino Theory”, which was very much in vogue during the Cold War, coming back with a vengeance, meaning each defeat inevitably begets the next one. Unlike most human beings the Empire, its rulers in particular, has once and for all lost any ability to learn from past mistakes. All its actions, conspiracies, and propaganda are so clumsy, predictable, and unprofessional that one feels inclined to ask if Russia/China/Iran really need to do anything except just letting the West’s manifestations of rot, decay, and decomposition continue in their full, magnificent glory.
As regards Mainland US, its fate will be quite similar to what’s very near for some equally crazy, reactionary abominations, first and foremost India and Ukraine: The country is facing disintegration, becoming ”DisUnited States of America” with batshit crazy people gunning down each other en masse, threatening only themselves. The world will draw a huge sigh of relief, accompanied by massive Schadenfreude.
Well in order to circumvent the Empire’s naval dominance the Chinese have embarked on a very ambitious Belt and Road initiative. By investing in surrounding countries and building infrastructure the Chinese hope to bring wealth to the entire region and make the Empire totally irrelevant. The Gwadar deep water port is scheduled to meet phase 3 of its development some time in 2045. The over land routes are probably completed around this same time. So a longer term project. The Chinese construction companies have been unbelievably quick and under budget. Absolutely astonishing!
The other problem is the Empire has been caught by a revolution in military affairs by the Russians. Hypersonic missile technology may make the carrier strike force irrelevant.
US military now needs to move to arrest all those bring down the US.
Arrest the DEMS, RINOS, DOJ, FBI & CIA.
And I dont think most people round the world care what goes on in Aftganistan – its only the CIA who use it as they supply of drugs and to facilitate wars that go on and on and means of harassing Iran & Russia.
Iran has been moved to CENTCOM, nuclear negotiations with Iran failing, Israel preparing a pre-emptive nuclear strike on Iran, hence the hasty American wihtdrawal from Afghanistan.
Correction: It is Israel that has been moved to CENTCOM, not Iran.
The hasty withdrawal from Afghanistan was all because of anticipation of an imminent Israeli nuclear pre-emptive strike on Iran.
You have been warned, my Saker readers!
Awesome hasbara. We all swoon at your feet.